Hester Peirce, Nic Carter: The Government vs. Cryptocurrencies

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Every Thursday at 1 p.m. Eastern, Zach Weissmueller and I host a live interview on Reason‘s YouTube channel. Today’s episode is pulled from our recent conversation about government regulation of cryptocurrency and related matters that we had with Hester Peirce, a renegade commissioner at the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), the Depression-era agency whose task it is to supposedly “protect investors,”  “maintain fair, orderly, and efficient markets,” and “facilitate capital formation.” 

When the SEC recently fined the cryptocurrency exchange Kraken for supposedly offering an unregistered security, Peirce publicly broke with her colleagues, denouncing the decision as “paternalistic and lazy” and sadly representative of the government’s unwillingness to issue clear regulations governing bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. We talk with Peirce, who used to work at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University, about why she believes the SEC is overreaching when it comes to crypto regulations and what good regulations might look like.

In the second half of the show, we’re joined by Nic Carter, a partner at Castle Island Ventures and a leading proponent of blockchain technology and the crypto future. He talks about why he didn’t invest in Sam Bankman Fried’s FTX and how the crypto industry needs to do more to police itself from fraudsters, whose inevitable collapse makes it more likely government will step in with terrible, soul-and-commerce-crushing rules and restrictions.

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Renegade SEC Commissioner Wants To Save Crypto: Live With Hester Peirce, Nick Gillespie, and Zach Weissmueller

The Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) charged Kraken—America’s third-largest cryptocurrency exchange by volume—with offering an unregistered security last Thursday. As part of a settlement, Kraken agreed to immediately cease offering interest-bearing “staking” services to U.S.-based customers and pay a $30 million fine.

But one SEC commissioner, Hester M. Peirce, published a forceful dissent, calling the SEC’s action “paternalistic and lazy” and questioning “whether SEC registration would have been possible” given the murky framework the agency offers.

Join Peirce and Reason‘s Nick Gillespie and Zach Weissmueller for a live discussion of the regulatory threats to cryptocurrency this Thursday at 1 p.m. ET. Watch and leave questions and comments on the YouTube video above or on Reason‘s Facebook page.

This week’s The Reason Livestream is produced by Adam Sullivan.

Show notes:

SEC press release on Kraken enforcement action  

SEC Commissioner Hester Peirce’s dissent 

CNBC: “SEC commissioner Peirce publicly rebukes her agency, Gensler on crypto regulation.”  

SEC Commissioner Gary Gensler on crypto staking

CNBC: “SEC’s Gary Gensler on Kraken staking settlement: Other crypto platforms should take note of this

Kraken CEO Jesse Powell responds to SEC head Gary Gensler 

FTX Meltdown and the Future of Crypto. Live With Kraken’s Jesse Powell 

“Operation Choke Point 2.0 is Underway, and Crypto is in its Crosshairs,” by Nic Carter in Pirate Wires

Coin Desk: “SEC Proposal Could Bar Investment Advisers From Keeping Assets at Crypto Firms”

The Block: Total value locked into DeFi projects